Editor’s note: This post is a rebuttal to two previous posts by Prez Davis, Dump the Pagans and Paganism: Proudly Picking Pockets and Breaking Legs Since PreChristian Periods.
The position of religion in the nationalist movement has long been one of contention and division. Infighting between different Christian confessions has been a problem not just in the nationalist movement in recent decades, but has been a problem in the South since the beginning.
From Spanish forces slaughtering a colony of French Huguenot Protestants in Florida during the 16th century to anti-Catholicism being enshrined in many Southern colonial and state laws for centuries (and actual violence against Catholics with the 1920s Klan); conflict between Christian Southerners of different confessions has been an ongoing source of disunity and weakness for our people.
Conflict and animosity between Christians and those who follow various forms of folk religion is a newer problem in Dixie; but it stems from the same root.
For those who may not know my faith, I’m an Eastern Orthodox Christian. I was raised a Roman Catholic, became a Traditionalist Catholic in college, and now am a Western Rite Russian Orthodox Old Calendarist. My faith is a very important part of my life, my family, and my politics.
I truly could not separate my Christian Faith from my politics, because caring for my people, is following the commandments of the Scriptures and the wisdom of the Church Fathers. Scripture tells us in 1 Timothy 5:8 “But if any provide not for his own, and especially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.” Those of our nation are those of our own house; Christians of different confessions, pagans, and non-Christians.
The very word nation in Greek is “ethnos” which is where we derive the word “ethnicity” from. Nations are organic expressions of a united folk where both blood and soil are a major part of the identity. I have a duty to my people, all of my people, to fight for them and to care for them.
Saint Jerome wrote “there are four kinds of brethren— by nature, race, kindred, love… they are called brethren by kindred who are of one family, that is πατρία, which corresponds to the Latin paternitas, because from a single root a numerous progeny proceeds.”
So from the beginning, I just wish to say that as a Christian, we all have a duty to our people, and that is fulfilling our spiritual commands.
In a recent article at Dixie Daily, a Southern Nationalist network of activists and authors, Prez Davis suggests that dumping the pagans from our ranks will somehow drive the masses into our movement. I think he is misreading the political situation, geopolitical realities, and the very fundamentals of what a nation is.
He states that,
“confession of paganism also correlates with other heterodox confessions, such as:
First of all, I don’t vaccinate my son and we try to eat organic whenever possible, as do many of the Kinists and Traditional Christians that I know. Rejecting Big Pharma and Monsanto isn’t a religious belief or value, it is one done out of evaluating the evidence in front of you and making a decision for your family. Millions of other Christians put more faith in the traditions of our ancestors than in the multinational corporations. While one can get carried away with hyper-skepticism, as with Flat Earth quackery, our people have a right and obligation to question what we’ve been told.
I have been to multiple pagan weddings, events where I was one of the only Christians, and met amazing individuals from folk assemblies all over the United States and Europe; never once have I heard someone believe in the Flat Earth, however I have witnessed discussions on Christian forums about the Flat Earth.
Another key issue to understand about paganism is that the vast majority of pagans do not literally believe in Thor, Jupiter, or the other gods; instead paganism is a poetic understanding of both the natural and the supernatural world. As a Christian, one can look at paganism as the prefiguration of Christian morality and the coming of Christ. The first people to worship Christ were pagans from the East.
The Roman term for Zoroastrians was Magi, and it was these followers of Zoroastrianism who were moved by their beliefs to follow and then find Truth, embodied in Christ, the Logos. The Zoroastrians were taught to believe in good and evil, a belief in One God, the coming of a Messiah (born of a virgin) who shall defeat evil and judge both the living and the dead, and the final victory of good over evil. With this belief System, the Three Magi, or Wise Men, followed their belief System all the way to the Nativity of Christ; demonstrating the powerful prefiguration of Christ and Christianity in the pre-Christian world and belief systems.
The Greek and Roman pagan philosophies such as Stoicism and particularly Platonism were vitally important to the founding of the Christian worldview and the early Christian Church. Church Father and theologian Clement of Alexandria wrote, “Philosophy has been given to the Greeks as their own kind of Covenant, their foundation for the philosophy of Christ … the philosophy of the Greeks … contains the basic elements of that genuine and perfect knowledge which is higher than human … even upon those spiritual objects.”
To many European pagans, the belief system of paganism is a faith, but one where the various gods are personifications of elements of nature, the supernatural, and humanity. Gods take on a particular look or attributes to help, through mythology and practices, the people understand eternal Truths and to cultivate virtue within the individual, the family, and the society.
Romans 2:14-15 explains how pre-Christian faiths and traditions were based on the innate search for Truth, a love of what is good and moral, and a foundation for all morality is found within all humans. The Scriptures tell us “Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.”
In the search for knowledge and for Truth, guided by the conscience of what is right and what is wrong that is in the heart of every man, our ancestors crafted and followed belief systems that helped them reach towards God and understanding of the universe.
C.S Lewis famously said in a speech at Oxford that “there is some divine illumination vouchsafed to all men. The Divine light, we are told, ‘lighteneth every man.’ We should, therefore, expect to find in the imagination of great Pagan teachers and myth makers [myth according to Lewis is not a deception, but an imaginative way of transferring truth] some glimpse of that theme which we believe to be the very plot of the whole cosmic story—the theme of incarnation, death, and rebirth.”
For Christians to properly understand paganism, look beyond the animosity and contention. As Dietrich Eckart said “our words always contain some joy, some satisfaction, that our pagan ancestors were already so Christian.” The spite that some Christians have for our pagan brothers and sisters is a knee jerk reaction; instead we should love and respect them, while of course praying for them and providing a pious and dedicated Christian example.
The only thing I have heard from the pagan community on Prez Davis’ list is opposition to Christianity. In at least 9 out of 10 cases, the opposition to Christianity that many pagans claim, is opposition to the same “Christianity” that any Traditionalist Christian hates.
Whether it is Zionism, support for open borders, promotion of racial intermarriage, or defense of the materialist “Prosperity Gospel”; the weak, effeminate, and heretical Christianity opposed by Christians is the Christianity that pagans have been raised around, and they reject, for good reason I might add.
There are pagans, on the Internet primarily, that attack Christianity. On the flip-side, there are a great number of Christian nationalists who mock our pagan brothers and sisters and our pre-Christian heritage. In the past, I’ve actually been one of those Christians. It’s actually from those debates, and from both Christian and pagan nationalists offering a more complete perspective, that I’ve learned that Prez Davis’s message will not only fail to defeat the pagans, but it will succeed in keeping Christian nationalists alienated and isolated.
One of the primary reasons for this infighting is found in the online culture that has developed. From the many hundreds of pagans I have marched with and know personally, I have never experienced anything other than respect from pagans for my Faith. When you get out of the chatrooms and into real life, whether it is differences on subculture, economics, or religion; conflict is far less likely.
The vast majority of pagans in the nationalist movement support the values and beliefs of Traditional Christianity and a system of mutual respect and coexistence.
Prez Davis continues by saying, “Our target group of reachable Southern whites (Dixians) is overwhelmingly Christian.”
This simply isn’t the Truth for future generations and it is barely true now. Secularization has reached such a fever pitch in our society that we Christians are essentially in a pre-Christian context, one where we can no longer appeal to the hegemony of our faith among our target audience. Even those in churches are not especially on our side. Only “Forty-four percent of white evangelical Protestants say they’re conservative on most political matters; that compares to 33 percent of white non-evangelical Protestants and white Catholics alike.”
Young Southerners especially are staying away from the pews in record numbers, and for good reason, there is nothing of value to be found in most of the mainline churches. Many churches now teach men to be weak, women to be men, and a total inversion of traditional Christian beliefs held from the time of Christ to a half century ago.
Revolutionary movements are built on the young and the poor. Both demographics are rapidly losing their faith, and the institutions of the faith are encouraging them to get lost.
According to Pew, “only 27% of Millennials say they attend religious services on a weekly basis, compared with 51% of adults in the Silent generation… Only about half of Millennials say they believe in God with absolute certainty, compared with seven-in-ten Americans in the Silent and Baby Boom cohorts. And only about four-in-ten Millennials say religion is very important in their lives, compared with more than half in the older generational cohorts.”
Let’s just look at the numbers.
Evangelicals make up about 26% of the overall American population. These churches are so Zionist it is painful to behold. These churches have flipped on the flag, like the Southern Baptist Convention that declared last year, “We call our brothers and sisters in Christ to discontinue the display of the Confederate battle flag as a sign of solidarity of the whole Body of Christ, including our African-American brothers and sisters.”
If the Southern Baptists, a denomination founded on protecting slavery and White supremacy in the South, are going to call on all of their members to not even fly the Confederate battle flag, I don’t see them rallying around a secessionist and explicitly ethno-nationalist movement anytime soon.
As soon as the pastor tells the people they can’t be involved in this struggle, most won’t join. When the church leaders in the 1960’s rallied around Martin Luther King Jr. or did so in the coming decades as they saw the political pendulum shifting, they radically redefined our beliefs.
Gallup reports that, “Continuing to represent one of the largest shifts of public opinion in Gallup history, 87% of Americans now favor marriage between blacks and whites, up from 4% in 1958.”
When the organized Christian churches decided to go with the times, heck, even the Mormons suddenly had a “revelation” and dropped banning Blacks from the priesthood in 1976, public opinion among churchgoers was shifted dramatically in the blink of an eye.
Catholics make up about 20% of the American population, and the Church is officially pro-refugee, pro-immigration, anti-nationalist, and anti-traditional.
Pope Francis is attacking Trump, a civic nationalist, already, saying he is like Hitler and people need to reject nationalism and support being demographically displaced.
Francis said last year “A person who thinks only about building walls — wherever they may be — and not building bridges, is not Christian. I’d just say that this man [Trump] is not Christian.” Outside of Traditionalist Catholics and sedevacantists, Catholics are under the boot heel of an institution that actively supports our demographic displacement, and calls nationalists “not Christian” when we work to protect our nation and our families.
Increasingly as well, these Catholics in America are not White, they are from the Global South. That number will only increase; leading to an increase in communist-inspired “Liberation Theology” and Third World mysticism.
Mainline Protestants are turbo-cucked in terms of values regarding homosexuality, borders, feminism, abortion, etc…
The Episcopal Church, Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.), and many other large Protestant confessions perform gay marriages; which makes sense when a “solid majority of white mainline Protestants (62%) now favor allowing gays and lesbians to wed, with just 33% opposed.”
High Church Protestants support divorce at a rate of 61%. The American Baptist Church, Episcopal Church, Evangelical Lutheran Church, United Church of Christ, United Methodist Church, and the Presbyterian Church (USA), and other confessions also ordain women to the priesthood and support feminist policies. Nearly 40% of the abortions in America are done by women who identify as Protestant.
My own denomination, Eastern Orthodoxy, is overwhelmed with degenerates in America. While she may be standing strong in the Old World, Ameridoxy is a festering cesspool of abortionists, globalists, and radical feminists. These hypocrites eagerly take selfies of themselves offering the Mysteries to abortionist politician Michael Dukakis because he’s a fellow Greek. They host a nationwide patchwork of foreign identity clubs masquerading as parishes. But they absolutely cannot and will not stomach the grave heresy of being a White American who objects to the displacement and humiliation of his own ethnic community.
In all of this land of cucked “Christianity”, even the more Traditional churches are almost all opposed to “racism,” nationalism, and anti-semitism; and basically everything needed for us to survive as a people and a culture. If we make this struggle about religion, as soon as some dude in a funny hat orders his parishioners to not be involved, most will fear for their immortal soul and back down.
And out of supposed believing Christians, most based on their values will be on the other side of the barricades in this struggle.
We’ve got a smattering of Anglicans, Kinists, Trad Lutherans, Trad Catholics, Orthodox, and some low-church Protestants who are on our side; but this is not the majority, or even a strong minority of Christians overall in America.
As a movement Southern Nationalism should defend Traditional Christianity, encourage Christian participation, identify the crucial importance of Christianity as the foundation of Southern culture, and promote Christian values and virtues. But we can’t afford to align ourselves with a specific confession. The way to advance Christianity within the nationalist community is to fix Christianity and to model Christian nationalism, not to chase off everybody who’s rightly skeptical of modern Christianity.
The numbers for the Revolution we need are just not there to base this entirely around some Holy Crusade. My faith motivates me. Faith motivates a whole host of our people. But the idea of having a Christian-only movement makes no logistical, tactical, or political sense; because the majority of our people are just not Christian. And the ones who are Christian are typically strangers in their own denominations.
Prez Davis also writes “Moving forward, our platform should be explicitly Christian and explicitly exclusive of paganism. Trying to win the mainstream when we have known pagans in the group is like trying to get a girlfriend when the whole class knows you have cooties.”
“Win the mainstream” is a line often trotted out by people with a subversive agenda to some degree or another. As Adolf Hitler said in Mein Kampf, a political movement “must not be a follower of public opinion, but must become the master of public opinion.”
The Jewish revolution over our society can only be removed by another revolutionary force in action, thought, and principles. Dr. William Pierce famously said “Though conservatism cannot win against the left, a new revolutionary force, with the spiritual basis that conservatism lacks, and advancing with even more boldness and determination than the forces of the left, can win!.. the West’s salvation must now come from young men and women of revolutionary spirit and outlook who are through talking and instead are willing to do whatever is necessary to take back their nation.”
We cannot be conservatives, for there is nothing left to conserve. Our schools, our communities, and our nations have all been taken over by the Jewish power structure and their capitalist lackeys. The idea of sinking into the comfort zone of Middle America to try to save them is nonsense, we must lead the people to the true and final solutions to the illness that ails us. The people need Truth, the undiluted Truth. We must be revolutionary, not evolutionary. Folks must be converted to an entirely new worldview, not merely persuaded with superficial and stylistic appeals.
James Mason wrote in Siege that “The practice of mixing Truth with lies in an effort to formulate something that the sick masses might accept without much struggle has resulted in the Right having built for itself an insurmountable obstacle of self-imposed hang-ups and restrictions.” This sentiment is one hundred percent accurate. If we need a revolutionary movement to achieve total victory, while initial growth might be slow, the men and women who join us will be the fanatics we need for the true struggle.
These fanatics might be Crusaders, these fanatics might be Berserkers, or these fanatics could come from any number of subcultures or backgrounds; but what matters is that they are fanatics, what matters is they are willing to give up their lives and their freedom for the survival of our children, and what matters is that they stand together to form a unified front for our National Community.
Commander George Lincoln Rockwell wrote “Revolution is a spectators sport. The majority will sit in the stands and watch the factions fight. At the end they will choose side with the team that is winning.” This is true in any nation for any revolution on either the Left or Right, the real revolution is not the masses against one another, but the fanatics against one another.
We as nationalists are fanatical for the Cause of saving our people, and the Jews and their lackeys are just as fanatical about destroying ourselves and our civilization. Most people in modern society just want to mind their own business and will pick sides in the struggle based on our strength and ability to utilize that strength; only the fanatics are true believers in any System. Ezra Pound said, “If a man isn’t willing to take some risk for his opinions, either his opinions are no good or he’s no good.” To gain power, we must cultivate and raise up a generation of fanatics, not masses of lukewarm supporters who will scatter at the first sign of persecution or trouble.
When Prez Davis says being “more Christian” is the way, I’d like to point out that the mainstream White population’s relationship with Donald Trump. White Americans rejected the more overtly Christian candidates for a man with a plan about immigration, jobs, infrastructure, and sovereignty.
Donald Trump by all accounts has been living as an atheist for his entire adult life, exemplified when he went to church on a campaign stop in Iowa and was so unfamiliar with services, he nearly put money in the communion tray, mistaking it for a collection plate. Donald Trump has been divorced multiple times, is not an active member of any church, and by all accounts isn’t a devoted Christian in any capacity; but he took the Bible Belt by a landslide.
Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, and the rest of the “Christian candidates,” all floundered, even in the Bible Belt; because if people want a man to talk about religion, they have a priest or a pastor for that; what our people are hungry for is a future for themselves and their children. We’ve reached the logical conclusion of inauthentic Mike Huckabee bleeding heart Christian Zionism. “Christianity” is no longer the blank check to bamboozle the white working class that it was for so long.
It’s great that you’re a “Christian.” Good deal. Me, too. But are you with or against me and my people?
Our target demographic wants the Jewish bankers off their backs and a better life for their children. Our target demographic wants clean streets, good opportunities, and not becoming a minority in their own nation. The people are tired of their sons coming home crippled or in caskets for Jewish wars in the Middle East. They are tired of the slick and sly politician and pastor who uses them and then abandons them. Our people are looking for truth, sincerity, and solutions.
There is a push by some under this moniker of meeting the public where they are that it will make our ideas more palatable and thus more “respectable” but as James Jason wrote “As Commander Rockwell said in the 1960’s, if you’re racialist and aware of the role of the Jews and are willing to discuss it, then they’re going to brand you a ‘Nazi’ regardless of what you may call yourself or your group. You can even try cursing the Nazis and they’ll STILL call you a ‘Nazi’.”
Commander Rockwell and countless nationalists have understood that you cannot outflank the Jew or win by being more clever. The Jew is our misfortune, and it is the reason we are facing the issues that we are. We cannot ignore the Jewish role in the attack on the West, and with that, we will undoubtedly be called “Nazis,” no matter how tame our criticism of the Jews are.
We can either peddle snake oil in the form of revamped conservatism to our people, or offer pure undiluted medicine to actually cure their ailment. It is not loving or compassionate to give a sick child a sweet tasting concoction that does nothing for his health. The truly compassionate thing to do is to force open his mouth and give him the real medicine, no matter how much he fights it or how bad it tastes.
As a political movement, our duty is to care for the physical needs of the people, it is the duty of the religious institutions to care for their immortal souls. We can and will have a political system that promotes Christianity, traditional values, and a healthy Faith; but our movement is not a Church, a Folk assembly, or any sort of religious institution.
Our people is what makes up our nation. If a million Southerners were on a Mars colony and Dixie was annihilated in a nuclear war, the Southern people would still survive and have a future. While our soil is important, it is not our nation.
Throughout history, populations have migrated due to the environment or warfare. Borders have shifted, and peoples have lived under occupations by foreign powers for centuries at a time; but as long as the heritage remains, the people have a future.
Saving our people and building a new and independent nation for ourselves will allow us to purge our society of what currently ails it. Removing the Jewish poison will allow us to have our churches return to true and Traditional Christianity, liberate our youth from the shackles of modern decadence, and allow us to build the families, communities, and nation that our future generations deserve. To do this, we must be fanatical, we must have real solutions to real problems, and we must unify as a people–as an extended family–to care and fight for one another.
This spirit of understanding that our people is our nation solves the religious infighting, class differences, and subcultural differences found within the nationalist movement. This also allows us to focus on the issues that are impacting our people, and provide political and cultural solutions for them, while still encouraging Faith and its expression in both the public and private sphere.
To exclude non-Christians from the movement begins a slippery slope that leads to division and conflict. Low Church Protestants, especially Calvinists, do not believe that Catholics and Orthodox Christians are Christians. The Catholic Church according to the Council of Trent teaches that only through the Catholic Church can one find salvation. The Orthodox Church teaches the importance of the Sacraments, something that many Low Church Protestants reject.
In all of this, we either all view one another as an extended family and treat one another with respect, or prepare for religious conflict and national disunity, something that has plagued Europe for centuries.
To build the proper political movement, to truly care for the needs of our people, we must build a National Socialist State, built upon the principles of our people being an undivided National Community. Corneliu Codreanu wrote when speaking of his Motherland, “When we say ‘Romanian Nation’ – we understand it as: all romanians, alive and dead, who lived on this land since the start of its history and those who will live on it in the future.”
While Corneliu Codreanu and the Legion were fanatical Orthodox Christians, notice that Codreanu said “all Romanians” not just “Orthodox Romanians.” From the pagan Romanians in the pre-Christian period, to the modern agnostics, to the Catholics and Protestants, to all future generations; being a Romanian was a matter of blood and the duty of a Romanian is to honor all of your ancestors, and fight for all of the children of Romania. The principle of stewardship and the National Community overwhelm any sense of division.
Only National Socialism provides the proper framework to put aside divisions of gender, class, and religion; to instead lift up all members of the National Community to be physically and spiritually stronger.
Povl Heinrich Riis-Knudsen wrote that “National Socialism was not invented by Adolf Hitler, but is the conscious expression of the fundamental Laws of Nature governing our lives…Unlike all these other philosophies, National Socialism has never been invented; National Socialism has been derived from the eternal Laws of Nature, which have existed as long as the universe and which have governed all life since the first primitive organism came into existence.”
For the Christian, the laws of Nature were created by God. We are called to follow Natural Law in our stewardship to one another, the planet, and future generations. Pagans are also called by their faith tradition to follow Natural Law; and while we might disagree on the expression of a faith system, the foundation is rooted in the same ground and on the same principles.
The principle of the National Community found in National Socialism is one of the key elements. Regardless of profession, gender, class, or religion; you are part of the same community. Each member of the community has responsibilities to one another. It is a society built upon sacrifice, fraternity, and responsibility. Adolf Hitler wrote “The main plank in the National Socialist program is to abolish the liberalistic concept of the individual and the Marxist concept of humanity and to substitute therefore the folk community, rooted in the soil and bound together by the bond of its common blood.”
We are all one people, with one shared destiny. To follow the proposal of Prez Davis is dishonorable because it involves throwing our comrades and extended family under the bus for perceived political expediency, it is an inaccurate look at our people, it hides the nature of politics, and fundamentally; it is destructive.
Our foundational principle for our movement should be simple, the Fourteen Words; “We must secure the existence of our people and a future for White children.” Anything more than that destroys the National Community spirit of our folk, and divides us on religion, class, subculture, or profession.
We are all in this together and I know that when I look at my young son and my wife, that to defend them and their future I would rather put my trust in the hands of a fanatical pagan who loves his people to stand next to me, than a limp wristed Christian who puts his money or societal approval above his folk.
Our people will take a revolution to survive, and that revolution will come from our vanguard of fanatics; of many confessions and faiths, leading the people to a new dawn and total victory. So don’t throw your comrades under the bus, stand with them, and fight with them; our children are counting on it.